and the technology arena is so important, we saw in new orleans after katrina. we lost technology, we lost order. we lost law and order. technology is a huge benefit. there are sony people who want to say that kids just can't learn. some kids just can't learn. so i would say and do we really believe kids can't learn? aren't you really opportunities for kids? and isn't our security at stake in other ways other than the battlefield, but in the secrets, and intellectual property of the united states? and when are we going to connect these dots? whenever going to break this system down? when are we going to blow up the system and this mentality? and i'm just excited because governor bush brings us together once a year to reflect on this, and we get to hear people like you help us understand. so please, help me understand, how do we connect the dots? how do we make this real and how do we bring it to the urgency -- >> let me say a word on this, paul, because you're a man who did precisely that. i don't now how many people in this room know what paul pasternak did in